Yeah, I think most will agree that old Walt himself would have been overjoyed when they got his lil' Oswald back (like this: just embracing him). Then he, Ozzie, and Mickey could have been like a family again.
"Due to excessive replies to a comment, this page of comments could not be shown. Click here to browse comments in flat view." WHY DOES THIS EXIST? This is the stupidest rule ever, why would someone program it?
I know I was in a debate with someone but I'm not now so listen up. To some of us that know basically everything about Walt Disney good, I know almost everything about him as well, and seeing as how people think that he was a good man his whole life, we tend to disagree, so we tell people out there about the real Walt Disney, for those who don't know who he really is. Which is okay you guys have the right to say whatever you want.
Second I love Walt Disney I do. And just because someone knows an ugly truth about him doesn't make them a hater. I don't hate him I admire him I really do, my wish is for him to come back and fix up his company from where it's going to. Though I do kind of like some of the modern movies like Wreck-It-Ralph but still it's not as majestic as it was 20 years ago. That's why my wish is for him to come back from the dead. So there you go that's basically all I have to say, i don't hate him, I admire him, I really do, even though he wasn't an artist.
So... Can we say something good about him? Yes Can we say something bad about him? Yes Everyone can say whatever they like, it's their right and their freedom. You can't expect everyone to like something and you can't stop anyone from saying bad things about something so stop dictating them about not saying bad things.
Does saying, or knowing something bad about him mean we hate him? No we just happen to know an ugly truth about him.
Not everyone is perfect, there is no such thing as perfection, it doesn't exist. Walt Disney wasn't perfect and neither was his company. So next time if someone tells you "you made a mistake" you should tell him or her that maybe it's a good thing, because without chaos, you nor I wouldn't be here right now.
We don't remember great people for the things they did wrong, we remember them for the things they did right.
I am aware Disney wasn't perfect. Nobody is. But that doesn't change the fact that he gave more happiness to the world over the last century than any other man in his time. That's why we remember and love him.
He was truly a great man. Not perfect, no, but great.
"I always try to look on the optomistic side of life, but I am realistic enough to know that life is a complex matter."
This conversation went away a long time ago my friend.
But I do agree with you.
Even though he had some bad sides, that can never ruin his reputation. Amazing nowadays if you have bad sides that immediately ruins you for the rest of your life, because society today, they always like to look for the bad things. so Walt Disney is lucky.
I love him, I admire him, my wish is for him to come back from the dead and fix up his cesspit of a studio, and bring it back to the way it was. Disney is trying so hard to be like Universal and Paramount that it's not truly Disney anymore. I mean it is; but it's not as magical as it was 20 years ago during the Disney Renaissance or during its prime time.
Very Happy Birthday, even though, you're not around living but I shall remember you since you've been making great classic movies and cartoons including Mickey Mouse. Take care in heaven and god bless you for the hardworking anthics to make the Happiest Place on Earth. HB, DISNEY!
Wow, hello Debbie Downer. We're honoring Walt's leadership for Disney, not as a god or anything like that. This isn't an appropriate place to debate Walt's character (and I've done much research on him myself),which will just end in both sides being angry with each other. Let's celebrate this man for his innovation and inspiration to all the world on this special occasion.
As much as I hate to say it but is right. He really wasn't a "king". He just took all the credit for himself and non of it goes to his employees. Thus leading to the strike of 1941, changing his company forever. like I explained eariler to there was a museum full of paintings and drawings from his past movies, and all of them had Disney's signature on them, but he didn't even do them, he didn't know how to draw, his workers did those paintings, but he signed them anyways. Like I said he may have created an empire but like everybody else he is only a man. Trust me, I know almost everything about him, I have researched on the internet, read books, and watch documentaries about him. I've done my part.
For the record, researching on Walt Disney and bringing him down like that is not "doing your part". I've done probably just as much research as you if not, maybe a little bit more. But that's because I appreciate what Walt has brought to this world. Walt Disney is the reason we have Disneyland. Why do you think that it's all about the money? Walt did all these wonderful things for his daughters, for families everywhere. He knew that America needed a place where parents and children can have fun TOGETHER. It was never about the money. Walt Disney touches millions of hearts of both children and adults. Has he not touched your heart once in your life? I know you've done your research, but did it ever occur to you that this man, born in Chicago, grew up on a farm and then to start an animation company where many didn't believe in his idea to do a full animation feature had to struggle to get there? To do the things he did is incredible. And he wasn't alone. He didn't take the credit of the Nine Old Men when they placed the Principles of Animation. And he credited those who went above and beyond the call of duty on the windows of the Main Street USA at Disneyland, Anaheim. Yes, people did go on strike but it wasn't a credit stealing issue, it was during war time and Pinocchio and Fantasia didn't do well. They lost the foreign markets and had to make cuts, then Art Babbitt was one that really started this strike.
Also the reason there was paintings and drawings signed by Walt was because that was the trade mark, it's basically a copyright. People just took it the wrong way. It's the company's name. Of course they would put Walt Disney's name. Another thing is, he enjoyed drawing, and he knew how to. But he loved storytelling more. Walt himself was a character to his employers. He is the King of Fantasy because he created this world and made it reality. During his time, who else had that ability to tell a story or an idea and have people believe in him and making it all possible. Not many people can have an idea and bring it life. 90% of people wouldn't try, those who do try, give up. But there's that 3% that do keep trying and succeed. And Walt was in that 3%. So don't bash him like that. Just think of a world with out Disney.
My parents told me that when I was 2, unlike other 2 year olds, I would draw people with a full body. Others 2 year olds would draw a circle for the head, 2 dots for the eyes, dot for the nose, line for the mouth and four lines coming out of the head. So I guess I would see things different.
I'm not trying to "bash" him like how you're saying. I know almost everything about him. I know all the good things he did. But you also have to know this. He can't always be good. If he was always good, then there wouldn't be the Walt Disney studios that we adore today, no no, it would be something entirely different, in fact there probably wouldn't be a Walt Disney studios, some things have to be done even if it means doing something bad, or it doesn't have to be that, something bad has to have taken place like the strike of 41.
Just because it's the company's name doesn't mean that he has to sign his signature on it. They're paintings of his past disney movies of course people are going to know that its Disney. They should be signed by the person who actually did it.
Back then, he did it for the money but he did it for a lot more then that. He actually did it to inspire other people to become very talented artists, even though he wasn't talented himself, he really wanted them to become successful and he wanted his company to become successful of course he has to do it for the money in order to build his "empire".
By the way did you know that there are actually people out there who thinks that Disney sucks for no reason?
Anyways, yes he has touched my heart. I have always admired him like a "king" but now I think that calling him a "king" is an understatement but at the same time I think it's an overstatement.
PS: what's with all the stupid questions people ask me? Why is it that if I know these negative things about him, that automatically makes people think I hate him? I DON'T HATE HIM. I know you didn't say that but it sounded like you did. I don't hate him it's just that I happen to know an ugly truth about him. the truth being that he wasn't always good, he was also racist, selfish, greedy, but I DON'T REALLY CARE THAT MUCH. I just think people need to also know his dark side. If they really want to know him they also need to know the bad things about him.
But if they just want to know the good side fine. Go ahead no ones stopping you.
Of course he touched me, almost all his movies did. I was touched by Bambi, snow white.
And I know what hospital he was born in, I even know what time he was born. I even know about his ancestors, 1801 his great grandfather Arundel Elias Disney was born this year in County Kikenny, Ireland. I know basically almost everything about him. His good and his bad.
I love him very much, my wish is for him to come back from the dead and fix his company from those stupid teenagers that they have on disney channel and from those modern movies they now show. Of course I happen to liek the modern animated movies. But not as enough magic as it was 20 years ago.
I adore him so much, I worship him.
So please don't think of me as someone who always thinks bad of him. Please.
I never thought you always think of bad things about him. Just the way you commented about him put you there.
Now, I'll number the issues so I don't get lost.
1. Yes something did go bad in 1941. But it had nothing to do with credit stealing. Walt gave many of his employees bonuses for their hard work in the short cartoons. But when World War II came, they lost foreign market and Pinocchio and Fantasia to fail in the box office leading to cut backs in salary and layoffs. Many animators joined the Screen Cartoonists Guild most were the inbetweeners and cell painters that felt not as important then the big animators. They wanted Walt to sign a salary agreement but Walt wanted to put it to a vote with the National Labor Relations Board in which the strikers lost and went to strike. Afterwards Walt felt that he was betrayed. He believed that him and his animators were a big family.
2. I've never been to that museum, assuming its the Walt Disney Museum in San Francisco. But my best guess is not only is it Walt's signature but it's the company logo. The two can offen be mistaken.
3. Money wasn't the main issue. It was only an issue when they ran out of money to make films. But the reason behind every idea was he wanted to "keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things." He wasn't money crazy. He had an idea and went with it whether it succeeded or failed. He created Mickey Mouse because he need a new character to keep doing what he loves to do, create stories. He wanted to reinvent the way we watched movies and tv. Of course he wanted a successful company, but not successful in profits. He wanted to push his animators to create better story development
4. Yes I do know that there are some people out there that don't like Walt. I've ran into a few. Lots of the reason is they find one bad myth that is completely untrue.
5. It's not that you know about the negative things about him, it's the way you state the negative. You make it seem that it the negatives make him a bad person and that defines his character. He wasn't racist, greedy or selfish. Walt was the type of person that if he met someone and they were nice, he would like them no matter wat color, ethnicity or belief. He wasn't greedy or selfish, he made films and shorts for children and adults to share. He dedicated Disneyland everyone. "Disneyland is YOUR land." He created Disneyland where both parents and children to laugh and play together in a land he dreamed up to be.
6. That's awesome that you've learned many things about Walt. I too have my share of knowledge. But there comes a time that not everything you read can be true. Many of which were created out of despite and hatred towards Walt.
7 I have that same wish, my only hope is for someone new to come along and change it to the way Walt would have done it. What they have done in California Adventure is phenomenal! Much better improvement. They are getting better in some aspects but currently in the movie and tv making business, it is about the money. Why on earth do they need to revamp a movie back into the theaters? Or make sequels that should not be made in the first place? Although they did a wonderful job in Wreck it Ralph, they just need to stop with the nonsense of sequels.
1. This same thing was repeated after the death of the Disney brothers 6 years apart. After Walt and Roy died, the magic pretty much died with them, Throughout the 80's they were getting beaten by non-disney movies. Movies include An American Tail and The Land Before Time. What is your favorite non-Disney childhood movie? Mine is An American Tail.
2. Walt Disney's signature does not look the same as the Walt Disney Studios logo. I mean the dot on top of the I looks the same but as far as everything else, no.
3. Of course no doubt about that.
4. They don't know what good animated movies are.
5. "Disneyland is YOUR land." As selfless as that sounds he just said it to cover his reputation.
6. Yeah, I know, sometimes things say different things.
7. oh for god sakes YES. Disney channel sucks VERY BAD with all those teen age pop shows. Seriously if I were the CEO of that company I would shut down all of those stupid teen pop shows and fire every single one of those so called "Disney stars" of course they don't deserve that title. And not just the actors, I would fire every single director, producer, writer, light specialist, costume designers,musicians, sound editors, etc. As horrible as that sounds, I would definitely do that, because firing them all would make plenty of room for fine artists such as you, Twisted Wind, and others out there. I would also hire better writers, directors, producers, musicians. OMG if it were my way, things would definitely be better, my movies would be a lot better then what they're doing right now, though I would need help. I am writing stories in script form/narrative form right now. "An American Tail 5" and am planning more later on.
1. Yes they went through a rough patch, but they recovered in the Renaissance era with The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King. My favorite is also The American Tail and The Land Before Time.
2. Not entirely, but are similar. Walt definitely had his own font that was recognizable.
4. Very true.
5. What made him so selfish in your eyes?
7. Ok lets not get to out of hand. Firing people is not totally necessary. Back in Walt's time, if he felt that they were not up to pace, he would have them go back to school. So that would be my approach.